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| PsiGen |
 Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:49 pm |
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Not at all! We welcome all discussions here, except this topic isnt the topic for this particular debate. Theres another similar topic which WAS discussing this particular debate - but this isnt it.
Feel free to continue on that topic or even start a new one, but this one is going off track now.
I believe Shal was referring to the kind of episode plotlines, or character development side of things. Not the science fact behind previous episodes. |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:50 pm |
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Shalimar wrote: uh no i wrote this topic for pure fun not a scientific debate now please people back to what it was originally for
We were talking about story telling.
Good story telling, as opposed to lousy, lazy story telling the way MX was done.
Looks like the discussion is Limited to the Lousy by ukase. |
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| Shalimar |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:52 pm |
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| yes i was and now im off this is giving me a headache |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:52 pm |
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| Am I the only one here who regards learning something new on the way to learning how to do something better is an enjoyable good thing, and not too much trouble? |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 7:56 pm |
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PsiGen wrote: Not at all! We welcome all discussions here, except this topic isnt the topic for this particular debate. Theres another similar topic which WAS discussing this particular debate - but this isnt it.
Feel free to continue on that topic or even start a new one, but this one is going off track now.
I believe Shal was referring to the kind of episode plotlines, or character development side of things. Not the science fact behind previous episodes.
Hmm, this wasn't about science fact. This was about eliminating an absurdity, cleaning the MX house, and MAKING CHARACTERS AND PLOT flow from there.
The underpinnings matter. Otherwise, it's like building a house out of worm infested wood--it falls down. |
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| Blackpanther |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:02 pm |
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Woah! HOLD IT! This is degenarating into more than a debate about MX. Let's ALL get back to topic or i will lock this.
On Topic:
I think i would have delved a lot more into Ema's past. Besides Michelle we do not know much bout her past. And also i would have sicked to a clearer timeline, they seem to contradict eachother. Especially in s3 they seem to have forgotten about s2 & s1.
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:21 pm |
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I'd off loved to see some Brennan flashbacks!
Back to the bad ole boy days.... grins. |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:52 pm |
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PsiGen wrote: I'd off loved to see some Brennan flashbacks!
Back to the bad ole boy days.... grins.
How would you explore the allure of thuggery? |
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:04 pm |
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As Brennan reveals in one of the episodes of Season One, I think it was "Dancing on the Razor', he never 'picked a mark that didnt deserve it' or maybe that was "Deadly Desire' - one episode anyway
I'd liked to have explored how and where Brennan 'drew that distinction', his reasons behind his crimes - and whilst I obviously dont condone violence and robbery and whatnot, it''s always interesting to delve into what motivates people to do things like that.
I'd also have liked to heard more about the reference to Jesse being 'born with a silver spoon in his mouth' and of course, Shalimar's terrifying experiences thanks to her father.
In short, good on action, not so good on character background as I'd of liked.
I would've used Season Two to explain some of these niggling questions - I loved the Season Three episode 'Divided Loyalties' that was so nicely done considering I didnt like Season Three overall. |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:27 pm |
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Quote: it''s always interesting to delve into what motivates people to do things like that.
The cop I did my civilian ride along with on an overnight Saturday shift told me most street criminals were stupid. [The world looks so different from the right front seat of a cop car, and people look at you so differently when you are sitting there.]
I suspect greed and laziness plays into things as well. By the time most small-time thugs like Brennan are pushing 30, they are either 1) dead 2) in prison for a LONG time or 3) they have decided crime isn't what they want to do --also something I picked up from the cops.
Brennan was telling stories when he said he never harmed anyone who did not deserve it. Robbing the bank eventually affects anyone who uses a bank, because insurance rates climb, security gets tougher, and all of that has to be paid somehow, and that comes out of what would have gone back to honest customers as interest.
Also, recall the guy whose pocket he picked in 301 was a complete stranger he just happened to brush against. He knew nothing about him. Brennan's veracity is about that of Adam. |
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:33 pm |
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Perhaps.
Every story has a flip side to it, though. Nothing is black and white.
Its all shades of gray. |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:34 pm |
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Quote: I'd also have liked to heard more about the reference to Jesse being 'born with a silver spoon in his mouth'
Which really made no sense, since Jesse speaks and behaves purely as mid-range middle class, and Noah Kilmartin from even lower in society.
Then, in S3, we see Jesse's grandfather looking not at all like anyone who has even $1000 left in the bank.
Sloppy writing (again). Spend 15 minutes talking to someone in the US, and you can pretty much peg where they came from. |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:59 pm |
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PsiGen wrote: Perhaps.
Every story has a flip side to it, though. Nothing is black and white.
Its all shades of gray.
How do you think the guy whose pocket was picked thinks of the theft of his money, plastic, etc? A shades of grey kind of experience, with some genuine positives??? And if so, what would those be? |
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| FirstMutant |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:27 am |
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Quote: As Brennan reveals in one of the episodes of Season One, I think it was "Dancing on the Razor', he never 'picked a mark that didnt deserve it'
Season three, actually. "Into the Moonless Night." |
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| PsychoticFeral |
| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:59 pm |
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It occurs to me that if a different system of ethics is operating in the MX universe, making Adam's lies and manipulations laudable, perhaps picking pockets when in need of cash is considered praiseworthy as well, along with running away from your fiance
"Scumworld"? |
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