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< Mutant X ~ Gabriel Ashloke |
| Blackpanther |
 Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:00 pm |
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Well we al know that he could have been the supervillan that destroyed MX. But TPTB didn't want to make too much use of his powers and brains....
Anyhow, Adam wants to save him, to find a cure to save him. Why? In Time Squared he said taht if Ashloke cured himself he would be unstopable. So why did Adam want to cure him? Perhaps he though taht if Ashloke was cured by Adam he'd be sorry for all his bad doings and go in the Underground? He also mentioned the fact taht taking the decision to find a cure for Ashloke was the hardest decision he had to make but it seems he made pretty quickly in Past as Prologue. But finnaly he killed ashloke.
So was Adam crazy? Or why did he make these eratic and contradictory decisions?
Also it's common knoledge that Adam created ashloke but taht's not true. In Time Squared Ashloke was already ten when Adam joined Genomex. So how many mutants were created before Adam joined the Genomex research team?
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:11 pm |
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Adams primary procedure was to give Gabriel Ashlocke a conscience - to make him more human if you like. When the procedure gave him the unexpected Mutant abilities, it is inferred that this somehow overtook any good that procedure would have done - countering it if you like. Adam wanted to cure him because the only thing worse than Gabriel on the rampage would be Gabriel on the rampage with nothing to lose. If you're going to die, and you know it - then all the more reason to take as many people and cause as much damage when you go. Adam's cure would not have made Gabriel unstoppable - the cure Gabriel had devised for himself in Time Squared would have. A sublte difference but a difference none the less.
Adam did create Ashlocke, and he was the first child of Genomex - remember that Adam was pursuing alot of different lines of research when he came to Genomex - ones which didnt produce New Mutants. The newest procedure which he specifically created for Ashlocke was the line of research that created the First New Mutant. And afterwards, Adam and his research went from there. Maybe he should've stopped - but ambition and to some degree recklessness, conspired with good intentions and he continued that research. At least thats my take on it.
Adam wasnt an angel. But he wasnt quite the demon either. He saw what he was doing eventually, and made to put things right. But that doesnt change the face that he had the choice. |
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| MarisolEckhart |
| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:26 pm |
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I don't think Adam created Gabriel. He was hired at Genomex to help Gabriel. Gabriel was already a mutant when Adam arrived at Genomex. It's why Adam was sent to Genomex, to help with Gabriel. He was supposed to help stabilize his mutant abilities.
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 4:37 pm |
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Not so Im afraid!
In Time Squared Adam clearly states 'see, hes out of control. So I come in, right, and Im the saviour. I put everything right. I designed a procedure to make him... to give him a conscience."
Therefore Adam must have created the New Mutant 101 by using that procedure on Gabriel Ashlocke.
Something he later backs up in his conversation with Emma at night:
"Gabriel was the first. And I learned alot. If I hadnt of made the mistakes I did with him, I might have made them with you." |
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| Blackpanther |
| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:47 pm |
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| Yeah but we know all the new mutants had problem -diseases tahtw ould kill them- before or very soon after they were born. Ashloke had powers before Adam did the procedure. Adam not creating Ashloke would explain Danilelle Hartman and the not so huge age diference between the two. |
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| PsiGen |
| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 7:12 pm |
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Gabriel Ashlocke was brought into Genomex. We know that before the procedure he was at least feral - this is demonstrated in Time Squared when Gabriel Ashlocke goes back in time and picks himself up to take him for the procedure that would make him more humane.
In Time Squared, Adam says the following:
His parents brought him to Genomex. Then took him away again. Then they came back to Genomex saying we had changed him in some way and that we were responsible for him being worse. And they were right. We were.
Therefore that implies that Adam treated Gabriel before the procedure to make him more humane, inadvertantly giving him his new mutant powers, and then Adam did a second procedure which made him even more powerful.
Therefore, there is no doubt that Adam created the first New Mutant (much to his dismay)
The others followed this, Danielle Hartmann being one of the earlier patients - probably in her teens or early twenties.
Those are the facts as demonstrated in the TV Series. Other sites will have a different spin possibly. Watch Time Squared - and especially the conversations between Adam and Emma. |
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| MarisolEckhart |
| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:27 pm |
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PsiGen wrote: Therefore that implies that Adam treated Gabriel before the procedure to make him more humane, inadvertantly giving him his new mutant powers, and then Adam did a second procedure which made him even more powerful.
Therefore, there is no doubt that Adam created the first New Mutant (much to his dismay)
Adam: "In October 1978, I arrived at Genomex to work on the Patient Zero Project. I was the bright young star working for the hottest development research facility in the world. Then two weeks later on October 13, Gabriel Ashlocke's parents brought him back into Genomex.
They were convinced that Genomex was responsible for his extreme aggression and they were right. Genomex had no idea what kind of child Gabriel was until they'd given him unlimited powers. He was out of control. Then I came along. I was the savior. I designed a procedure. A procedure to make him more humane. Give him a conscience.
I had no idea that my procedure would cause his genes to mutate. Make him more of a monster. Six months later, Gabriel Ashlocke killed both his parents."
Adam to Emma: "I didn't think about the ramifications because I didn't think I had to."
Adam DID NOT create Ashlocke. He already was a mutant. Adam came in to try to help control the "unlimited powers" he'd been given. Ashlocke already had his abilities by the time Adam came to Genomex.
Yes, the parents did blame Genomex, but not Adam. Adam had yet to join Genomex when the parents blamed Genomex. It wasn't Adam they were blaming. They were blaming the whole company. Adam had yet to arrive: "Then I came along. I was the savior.".
Gabriel simply thought he was some God because he'd been given those powers. He took advantage of them & used them for the worse, instead of the better.
Then the only reason he told Emma about the mistakes he'd made with Gabriel was so that he wouldn't have done the same mistakes with those that followed Gabriel. He more or less may have known giving so many powers to one person as with Ashlocke was dangerous & a risk to their health & living.
So Ana is right, Gabriel was the first mutant, but not for Adam~it was for Genomex, the company. Adam only came to help to try to stabilize the powers he had already, but he made it worse & eventually had no choice but to kill him because he knew Gabriel would never get that conscience he needed to determine right from wrong.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:34 pm |
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I stand corrected.
**Bows to supreme intelligence that is Lina!
LOL
But he was still the first new mutant. |
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| MarisolEckhart |
| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:21 am |
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PsiGen wrote: I stand corrected.
**Bows to supreme intelligence that is Lina!
LOL
But he was still the first new mutant.
LOL! 
~~Lina |
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| darkanger4u |
| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:16 pm |
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| No ofense to Ashloke's fans but he's a psycho |
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| D-e-m-i-a-n |
| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:14 pm |
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no way.
he ain't.
u and the other girls are just jelous because he is more cool then brennan & jesse. 
and more powerfull.  |
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| darkanger4u |
| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:19 pm |
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Well he cannot be a more hottie than Brennan! |
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